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Postby Exeldama » Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:14 pm

My piece forms part of about 300 acres mixed deciduous woodland. Its mixed age, semi ancient etc, variable trees, topography etc..however there never seem to be that many birds about or indeed insects.... Why.? Is it because ...well i dont know why..it just sounds quiter than i would expect..the only explanaton for the birds is the permissive path through the whole lot that means dog walkers let their dogs run through the woooods scaring everything...but that doesnt explain the insects.... my parents woods and indeed others i have visited over many years seem more alive...mine and the greater part feel half dead yet full of trees...hmm squirrels,discarded plastic tree guards poisoning the land, aliens... theories.!


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Postby RichardKing » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:22 am

How actually diverse is it ? Many species need diversity.

Is there much understory, bushes, groundcover, deadwood ?

Any open & semi open areas ? Ponds, streams, wet areas ?

Nestboxes ?


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Postby Meadowcopse » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:24 pm

Difficult to measure / quantify but I have felt over the last couple of months my 2 acre meadow space (now with added orchard) has been quieter than normal.

It gets a break from me of 2 weeks every month or so due to my proper job away from the UK Mainland.


The next field (with a footpath) has had horses on for about 6 months for the first time in years and the dog walkers I've since found have been coming through my plot instead.

Having just spent a week discretely in a tent in the hedgerow and getting some work done, a few other goings on with a couple of cars that pull up on the access track might disrupt an otherwise relatively undisturbed ambience (I'd have thought the one that left a blister pack empty of 4x Pfizer Viagra might have lasted longer than an hour).


Anyway 4x buzzards, a few hedgerow birds, foxes, beetles, voles, moles, badgers and owls isn't too bad a variety.


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Postby carlight » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:08 pm

only my opinion , but ,having lived and worked in many woods ,there isnt so much wildlife in big areas of woodland . tis the margins ,and pref a gradual reduction in the height of the canopy to adjoinig farmland / open areas , possibly called the biomargin.

just at the mo ,we are between summer and winter bird migrants .

the woods i have seen alot of wildlife have also had a lot of human life present . the residents of a woods scarcely visited by humans are going to be v scared .

any road ,300 acres ! - oh , just seen that yr holding is part of . is it big enough to create a small glade in a biomarginilised acre ?


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Postby martingarwood » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:35 pm

Bird song is very seasonal and certainly it all goes quiet when breeding is over and outside of migration times. Activity is also very affected by daily rythms, so best times to see and hear birds is when they are actively feeding first thing in the morning. As noted above, edges are really important so the more edges you have or create the better for wildlife. Insects like sun-warmed areas where they can find nectar etc, areas out of winds are also preferred. The species of tree in your wood are also going to have a big influence on species diversity. Sweet Chestnut, for example, is associated with a very small number of species and is poor re bio-diversity whereas oak is really good. Lots to consider !


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Postby jillybean » Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:10 pm

I think it could be sunlight. all this forestry commission ride building isnt for nothing. My wood is dark, and heavy on the brambles. all the wildlife ive seen is on the paths and in the clearing. the little pond I have is attracting the birds. 300 acres, the stuff of Dreams !


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Postby carlight » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:13 pm

ps. where i have used the term biomargin ,i think i ought to have said ecomargin .


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Postby Stephen1 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:38 pm

It all depends on how you define wildlife!


The woodland edge, wide open rides, clearings and widely thinned areas all support what might be described as a more 'showey' flora and fauna. (Very small woods effectively are all woodland edge.) These species are of two broad groups; generalists i.e. species that can live in a wide variety of habitats and are not restricted to woodland, these species are usually very mobile enabling them move between sites and exploit new patches of habitat. The second group of these showey species are woodland specialists, but they're the sort of creatures that originally evolved to exploit the temporary sun filled habitat patches that arise when a mature canopy tree, or group of trees, dies and for a while far more sun reaches the woodland floor until a tree grows up and fills the gap in the canopy - returning the area to the original deep shade. These species also had to evolve to be mobile so they could find and exploit new habitat patches. Often the wildlife that we are most familiar with as woodland wildlife are these mobile creatures - we see them when they're moving. These are the sort of woodland creatures that had evolved characteristics that enabled them to flourish and massively increase in number once humans started managing woodland and creating many more sun lit areas within woodland than wood have been the case in the original wildwood. (Don't start quoting Vera at me - it was a good idea, stimulated debate but it has been put to bed IMHO!! :-) )Of course the ultimate example of woodland management that reduces shade levels and favours these showey mobile species is coppicing.


However there is another group of woodland specialists. These species are the inhabitants of deep, littles disturbed shadey woodland. These species evolved in the original wildwood where conditions were relatively constant and so typically didn't need to be particularly mobile - and didn't evolve behaviour patterns that led them to spend time searching for new suitable habitat patches. These greatures of deep woodland include many species of snail, beetle, micro moth etc. All these creatures are pretty cryptic and spend almost their whole life in a very small area. I would suggest that the majority of these creatures require deadwood of one kind or another.


Most large woods now found in the UK are either currently managed or have, in woodland terms, only recently been left to their own devices to grow wild (typically less than 60-70years since management ceased). These woods therefore contain very little of the the generalists and the woodland species that were once 'glade' specialists but that now flourish in human managed woods - which have vastly more sunlit patches than the original pre-human wildwood. Unfortunatley most of these woods with little human input in the UK have not yet been 'little or umanaged' for long enough to build up a great deal of the many kinds of dead wood vital for the specialist of deep large naturally shdey woodland.


You need deadwood both in various levels of shade, moisture and exposure - on the floor but also standing deadwood reaching to the canopy - and of many diameters.


It's this variety of deadwood that is usually the limiting factor in 'little or umananged woods' in the UK. My advice is always to create as much as you can. Fell trees and leave some on the floor - different diameters (as these have very different temperature/moisture patterns within them) but also kill some trees (ring bark) and leave them standing. Even if you think you have a lot of dead wood compared to other woods you visit try finding pictures of virgin temperate woodland and you will be amazed at the volume of dead wood.


Sorry I know I go on! But essentially managed woods, or small woods with lots of edge relative to their size have lots of sunlight and harbour certain showey, mobile species. The conservation of these is realtively easy as their mobility allows them to colonise new suitable patches relatively quickly.


The woodland specialist of deep relatively stable woods are much harder to conserve because the conditions they need take much longer than a single human lifetime to acheive - it takes a long time for a tree to grow to large diameter, die and begin to rot.


So most unmanged large woods in th UK have neither large numbers of the showey mobile sun loving creatures that rose to prominance in our woodlands thanks to coppicing (and that we think of as the 'main' woodland beasts but nor to they have large numbers of the beasties of the original wildwood that need large areas of very old growth with huge quantities of all shapes, sizes and kinds of deadwood.


I would suggest that in a small wood - pariculary if you have a lot of boundary with open habitats such as fields then there may be more value in promoting sun light down to the woodland floor. You will see the benefits very quickly (in woodland terms)- but still always ensuring you're developing some deadwood.


In a large wood the creation of all manner of deadwood is (in my oppinion)the most valuable thing you can do. However this is a much longer term game - and of course that is why provision of this sort of habitat is so much less popular and is rarely begun - and of course if begun is rarely allowed to run it's course - woodland ownership changes, perceived priorities change, woodland conservation fads come and go. YOu can undo decades of work towards true old growth in a week or so, letting the sunlight flood in and the new owner sees the 'benefits' in the next couple of years as the butterflies and flowers increase.


Of course both sorts of woodland are needed - it's just harder to have woodlands with a continuity of aim that lasts longer than a human lifetime, and letting the sun in is so easy, so quick and gives you beautiful tangible results in just a few years!


Any takers for the long haul of promoting old growth in their bit??


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Postby RichardKing » Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:06 pm

Stephen, a very interesting blog by you.

So what is the most recent view as to the nature of the "wildwood" ?

being an amateur I am not up to speed with the debate about Veras's hypothesis.

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As for promoting old growth, its not eay when the FC & professional consultants rant about the terrible amount of unmanaged woodland. Some parts of my coppice are "in a dreadful state", not cut for over 15 years "overstood", standing & fallen deadwood everywhere.


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Postby Stephen1 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:31 pm

Sorry Richard I didn't mean to blog! Having just slogged through my reply I appreciate the random spelling and punctuation doesn't help me make my approach very clear...


If you're interested in the the current thinking on the likely structure of European temperate woodland I'd suggest having a look at;


Mitchell, F.J.G. (2005) How open were European primeval forests? Hypothesis testing using palaeoecological data. J. Ecol. 93, 168–177


Birks, H. John B (2005) Mind the gap: how open were European primeval forests?. Trends in ecology & evolution 20, 154-156


Whitehouse and Smith (2010). How fragmented was the British Holocene wildwood? Perspectives on the ''Vera'' grazing debate from the fossil beetle record, Quaternary Science Reviews 29: 539–553


The first is a good primary source, the latter two both good 'review' type papers - obviously well referenced if you want to delve further. The current belief is that the evidence points to a closed canopy high forest structure over the vast majority of the area.


I quite agree with your second point. Consultants clearly have little to gain by suggesting the relatively little input that promoting the conditions to eventually produce old growth stands would require. I offer it as just my oppinion that both the F.C. and organisations such as The Woodland Trust also have a model of a sort of Golden Period for woodland with humans being the "keystone species". Conservation science and practice really suffers from trends and fashions. At the moment there is a trend towards biodiversity as a short term end in itself. The problem with that is how you measure biodiversity. Obviously count up the species - but at what scale? Is it always an improvement to increase the number of species at any given site? I would suggest not. As a crass example - if you have a 5 acre site of flower rich grassland you can increase the biodiversity of the 5 acre site by planting an acre of it with trees. Unfortunatley you will have reduced the resilience of the remaining, now smaller, meadow to retain all its valuable species. (Fortunately this sort of thing happens less frequently now at such an obvious level - however the same thing still happens very often in more subtle ways when people do inappropriate species enrichment planting within small woodland plots - typically when misunderstanding how NVC woodland typing usefully informs woodland management decisions)


The problem with woodland management aiming for Old Growth Structure is that for the first 60-100 years (depending on the site/species/starting structure) of "neglect / under-management" biodiversity typically falls. So 'neglect/under-management' is dogmatically seen as a bad thing.


In terms of your own wood it is true however that overstood coppice is a very difficult starting point to take in the direction of old growth structure. It's quite likely that on balance such a site might be more appropriately managed with a different long term aim than an Old Growth Structure - although I would still argue the mantra of increase the amount and types of dead wood on the site - particularly large diameter dead wood.


I take the view that managemnt for species requiring increased levels of sun light is valuable for many sites, but not all. I also follow Oliver Rackham's view that the managemnt history of many of our ancient woodlands should be continued - they aren't natural, they are historical human constructs and can be thought of as similar to our catherdrals. But I'm also an advocate of a sort of re-wilding of some of our woodland towards a 'wild wood style' of Old Growth Structure, despite the impracticalities of the time scales involved and the drop in biodiversity during its initial long development.


The trouble with grants is that you get a one size fits all Procrustean bed.... there appear to be plenty of options but many approaches just get swept away and the 'choices' that are presented by the F.C. and consultants are really quite narrow.


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